With Ghostbusters Afterlife doing moderately well at the box office after it's first two weekends, Ghostbusters 2016 is being brought into the discussion by both haters of that movie and fans who are bitter that the new movie was made. The haters will point out that the success of Afterlife proves that nobody wanted the other movie. They say the fans wanted a continuation of the original story. I count myself among those people, but I'm honest enough to admit one thing. Ghostbusters 2016 didn't succeed at the box office because it went over budget.
The Ghostbusters 2016 movie didn't have the original characters. It had many of the original actors making cameos in different roles. What it did have was characters busting ghosts. It continued the premise that was established. It didn't really offer anything unique to the franchise. What it did was give a new generation of fans the opportunity to have some Ghostbusters they could call their own. It told an adequate story and had good enough special effects. It would have been considered a success if it had stayed within a reasonable budget.
Movies these days suffer from the idea that everything has to be a block buster. Everything has to make a billion dollars globally, or it's somehow not a legitimate hit. The Ghostbusters IP is recognizable, but two things should be understood. This was never really a franchise in the same vein as Star Trek or Star Wars. It had a couple of good movies that made money in the 1980s. It had a good premise, but it wasn't really a franchise. We went over 25 years before the 2016 movie was finally made.
Sony saw dollar signs and felt it was a guarantee regardless of who was cast in it. However, was a Ghostbusters movie with any cast going to make a billion dollars at the box office? In my opinion, no. However, a movie that resonated with the fans could have taken in $200-$300 million if done correctly. Perhaps it could have done a little more. The 2016 movie made $229 million during it's theatrical run. The latest movie might surpass that total. However, it's Budget was $75 million, meaning it will be considered a hit and a money maker if it does surpass the total of the 2016 movie.
The reason the 2016 movie is considered a failure is because it cost $144 million to make. It's common knowledge that you need to double your budget to break even, and tripling that is generally seen as being a success. The 2016 movie cost more than it should have. When Dan Aykroyd was criticizing the box office disappointment in a 2017 interview, he pointed out how it came in over budget. Re-shoots were needed. To me, that speaks more to the failings of the director than the stars of the movie, who didn't really do that badly in their roles, in my opinion.
If they made that movie for $75 million and pulled those same numbers at the box office, it's a success. There's no reason to think the movie wouldn't have been as good for half of what they spent on it. The people who didn't like it for whatever reason still wouldn't have liked it. However, it would have tripled it's budget. It would have succeeded. We might be talking about its sequel now, rather than Afterlife. That didn't happen because the first movie cost too much to make. It was a victim of it's own budget.
It may be a moot point to say this. Then again, a Ghostbusters multiverse may make it possible. However, a sequel to the 2016 movie could be a box office success. Whether it was Paul Feig being given one more chance to direct it or not, the studio could make money on a sequel with the female cast all reprising their roles. Two important things needed for that to happen are a good script and a tighter budget. Some people would come unhinged at the mere mention of a sequel, and the fact that it could be successful would really set them off. This is all a moot point as it's not likely to happen. Then again, you never know.
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Kathleen Kennedy's Disney Contract Quietly Renewed?
It's being reported through various sources that Kathleen Kennedy's contract at Disney has been renewed. Kennedy was pretty much the hand-picked successor of George Lucas to guide the Star Wars franchise into the future. I don't believe that George would have wanted Kennedy to be in charge of Star Wars had he known what direction she would take things. This has been the source of a bitter divide in the Star Wars fandom. Whether you are on one side of that debate or the other, I think most people would agree that the rift in the fan base is not a good thing.
There are fans of the original Star Wars trilogy who feel very strongly that the storyline has been ruined thanks to Kennedy, and there are those who feel the Disney Star Wars trilogy sequel did justice to the franchise. Again, this is a matter of opinion. It could be correctly pointed out that the profit margin of those three movies as well as Rogue One were huge and signaled success, but others will maintain that the storyline has been severely damaged.
Whether you like the Disney era of Star Wars or not, it's successes and failures can be put squarely at the feet of Kennedy. She might not have been involved in every creative decision, but she's the one who made the ultimate decisions. Give her credit or give her the blame, whatever your view might be. There are going to be people who claim that the renewal of Kennedy's contract is an endorsement of all of her efforts. That may be true, but it may be more nuanced than that.
Kennedy is not just some Hollywood chump. She's been involved in some of the biggest movie successes in the history of cinema. I don't care that some of those successes might have been attributed to other producers. She was involved in those projects as well. In the business world it would be disrespectful to say that she never brought anything to the table. It would also be disrespectful to publicly fire her, shame her or otherwise because a segment of fans weren't happy with the Star Wars trilogy sequel.
What's the point here? If she has been renewed, that can mean several things. Based on the successes she's had throughout her career, she's earned the respect of going out on her own terms. Therefore, one final renewal of her contract isn't a big surprise. Does that mean she's being rewarded? This depends on your perspective. Financially, the Star Wars trilogy made money. That's a fact, whether you liked the stories or not. Facts exist despite your feelings.
On the other hand, the storyline of Star Wars has been damaged, and there's no getting around that fact. You can like those movies. That's a matter of opinion. Same can be said if you hate those movies. The original six Star Wars movies told the story of the Skywalker family in which Palpatine was ultimately defeated when Darth Vader came back to the light and joined his son. At that point, the story was done. One can even argue whether the prequel trilogy needed to be made or not, but one can't argue against the fact that the story fit into the larger story.
It's basically been shown that there was no road map to where the Disney sequel trilogy was going. From one movie to the other, the directors seemed more interested in doing their own thing and one upping each other. Therefore, you had plot threads established in the first movie that were basically ignored or destroyed in the second movie. To try to save the trilogy and make an attempt to stick the landing, Palpatine`s character was brought back as the main bad guy in the third movie. The ending served to upset the long time fans as well as some new fans.
Long time fans were upset because Palpatine had been killed at the end of Return of the Jedi. The story was over. By bringing him back and having all of the Skywalker family dead, it's pretty much shown that Palpatine won. His granddaughter lived, but the Skywalker family was all dead. Newer fans were unhappy, because they enjoyed the romantic undertones of the Kylo Renn/Ray relationship. They didn't get the payoff they wanted in the end, and that led to some very unpleasant scenes witnessed in some movie theaters.
If this was viewed as a success, it's a certainty that an Episode 10 would have been planned. It would be on the drawing board, and we'd be getting updates. Weather a 10th movie was announced or we were just getting hints and rumors, the ball would be in motion. Why wasn't it? Kennedy was at the helm of this ship. She's deserving of any credit when it comes to the profit margin, and she's also deserving of the blame for storyline issues that have damaged the franchise.
This brings us back to the question. Why is she being rewarded if it was a failure? One should consider that her lifetime of work in the industry and the fact that each of the three trilogy sequel movies made 1 billion dollars or more at the box office is reason enough. Even if the storyline didn't go where a segment of the fan base wanted it to go, the cash registers were functional and profits were made. We are talking billions of dollars of profits from the billions of dollars of investment Disney made to buy Lucas Films from George Lucas. It wasn't a financial failure.
That's not to say that Disney itself is happy with her leadership. They may not want Kennedy to be making the big decisions in regards to the Star Wars franchise, but they can't publicly shame her and call her out on the problems with the story itself. What they can do is halt production of a 10th movie as long as she's the one in charge. Some will say her contract renewal is rewarding failure, and some will say she deserves it. The bigger question to ask is one that the people who didn't enjoy the sequel trilogy are asking right now.
Does this mean that Kennedy is in charge of Star Wars going forward for the next few years? At the moment, some projects are being canceled and others are being delayed. It's almost as if Disney wasn't happy with the direction the franchise was being taken. Kennedy may be back, but that doesn't mean she's going to be making the big decisions concerning where this franchise goes in the future. The indicator of what sort of power she holds is simple enough. When the 10th movie is announced that continues from where The Rise of Skywalker leaves off and Kennedy is the one making the calls, you'll have your answer. Until that time, everything is talk.
It's a sad time that we live in where people who are fans of long time franchises are not happy. They've looked at several different IPs and watched them get taken in a direction that goes contrary to what made these things popular in the first place. This has caused a divide in the fan base of these franchises, including Star Wars. People are picking sides and hurling insults at each other. People are trying to position themselves to be the ones who are right in the argument. It's sad that the majority of the people aren't just sitting back and talking about the product that was produced. It's almost as if being a fan doesn't just mean enjoying something anymore. You have to take sides and almost get political about it.
Kennedy had an opportunity to do good things with the Star Wars franchise. George Lucas even handed her a treatment of where the sequel trilogy would have gone under his leadership. Suddenly, people are pointing out how George was so wrong about everything. The reality is we wouldn't be talking about Star Wars in the first place if not for George. He must have done something right, but everybody now thinks they know better. Kennedy chose to use Star Wars as a platform to make her own political and social statements, rather than telling a story that united the fan base.
Therefore, this is more credit that she deserves. She might deserve credit for the profits being made at Disney via the Star Wars franchise. She might also deserve blame when it comes to where the story ended up going. Unfortunately, you have to point a finger at her when it comes to the divide in the franchise. She stirred the pot on this. Some will label the people who don't like the current franchise with negative political descriptions. This has nothing to do with politics. It's about whether people enjoyed the movies or not. Love it or hate it, Kennedy was in charge, and she deserves the blame here as well.
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Looking Back At The Beginning Of MTV
Looking Back At The Beginning Of MTV
Music videos were around before MTV ever existed. Bands did them to promote their latest albums and hits, and these videos would play on TV's at record stores, among other places. Some would say The Monkees were doing music videos on their old TV show. In fact, Mike Nesmith was an innovator of the concept.
He produced some music videos and had an executive test market them on Nickelodeon TV. There was positive feedback to that, and the executives started getting the idea that they could make a good 24 hour music video channel for TV. Nesmith was offered a stake in this, but he walked away after being paid for the work he did.
The battle was uphill to secure the money and get cable operators to include the channel once it launched on August 1st of 1981. They brought in five fresh faces to be the first video jockeys, who would introduce the videos. There were technical glitches in those early days, but that wasn't the big problem.
The record companies were reluctant to share videos of their artists, and many markets weren't willing to air the channel. They just took what they could get and built from there. Songs from lesser known acts, such as The Buggles, Bow Wow Wow and Billy Idol, and a few videos from better known artists like Pat Benatar and Rod Stewart played in the early days.
They sent one of their people into the markets where the channel aired to get some positive feedback. The people loved the channel, and record stores reported that records for artists whose videos played on MTV were selling off the shelves despite no radio play.
As for getting cable distributors to add the channel, MTV created the clever "I want my MTV" campaign, which got people to call their cable provider and demand the channel. Getting new and better videos became less of a problem when the big artists started complaining to their record companies about not being on MTV.
Many of those artists were part of the "I want my MTV" commercials that included a who's who of the biggest names of the time. By the mid 1980's, the channel was profitable and growing bigger. They even withstood a challenge from Ted Turner to compete with MTV with a channel of his own.
However, MTV was eventually bought out by the Viacom, which was one of the big cable outlets of the time. Viacom is one of the biggest media conglomerates of today with MTV, VH1, CMT, Spike, Comedy Central and Logo among their many channels. For a while, MTV was still about the music.
Eventually, shows like The Real World aired on MTV, and music videos appeared less and less. Within the last ten years, music videos have faded along with the phrase "I want my MTV." It seems nobody cares about the music anymore, but you can still find people wanting their old MTV back. Forums and YouTube comments are filled with people missing the channel that used to be.
For More On The Story Of MTV's Early Days: www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2000/11/mtv200011?printable=true&;currentPage=allPittman
Old MTV And A Look At Ten Of The Best Videos From The Mid 80's
Back in the 1980's, "I want My MTV" was a popular phrase. They had the brilliant idea of taking songs and making music videos as a way to promote them. MTV would play video after video with music news breaks at the top of the hour. Plus, there were concerts.
The music video wasn't just some new concept from the 80's. Many bands were doing video's in the 70's, which would be played on the TV screens at some record stores to promote these albums. The idea of a music video channel was a joke to some, but that joke became very popular.
The down side was the fact that some popular bands from the 70's couldn't adapt to the new format and faded in the 80's. Some talented artists who didn't have the look fell by the wayside, while some attractive artists who didn't have as much talent flourished.
The original VJ's (Video Jockeys), they were Martha Quinn, J.J. Jackson, Alan Hunter, Mark Goodman and Nina Blackwood.
There were some clever videos and some very good ones too. Bands would hire producers to make these videos as good as possible. Michael Jackson's Thriller is probably the most well known music video of them all. Of course, the "King Of Pop" had other nice artistic statements, such as Beat It and Billy Jean.
There were some good ones and some funny ones. Here's a look at ten I remember. You may recall some good ones from the past too.
David Lee Roth - Just A Gigolo: DLR got the idea of going solo after his success with this video and his version of California Girls. This video pokes fun at other music videos of the time.
Twisted Sister - We're Not Gonna Take It: The perfect song for people fed up with being pushed around and told what to do. Featured the guy from the ROTC scenes in Animal House, as did the band's I Wanna Rock Video.
ZZ Top - Legs: This band had a few videos during that time that featured their red hot rod car and beautiful girls. Very popular at the time.
Aha - Take On Me: This video features a very clever animation scene in it where they are running from the bad guys.
Queen - I Want To Break Free: This one was banned from MTV for the artistic dance segment during the musical interlude. The band was in drag for this video.
Madonna - Like A Virgin: Somehow Madonna singing this song was controversial at the time. She always found a way to stay relevant from the time she came out with I'm Burning Up. Say what you will, but she was very smart with her career.
Huey Lewis & The News - If This Is It: The band was very popular in the mid 80's and had a lot of fun with their videos. This one featured a beach scene with everybody except Huey buried up to their necks on the beach.
Van Halen - Hot For Teacher: Sit down Waldo! This band's biggest hit album was 1984, and this was one of three videos from that album that were very popular from this high energy band.
Duran Duran - Hungry Like The Wolf: The band became popular in the states on the strength of videos like this one and Rio. This one featured scenes in the jungle and on the river, and, like many other videos, had a beautiful woman.
Weird Al Yankovic - Eat It: Weird Al made his career making fun of some of the biggest video hits of the time, including Michael Jackson's Beat It. He was so popular that MTV even gave him his own special, Al TV.
Monday, August 2, 2021
The Biggest Reason Dennis DeYoung Won't Be Back In Styx Anytime Soon (Revisited)
The music of Styx brings back a lot of happy memories in my life. When I was a kid collecting 45s, one of the first records I bought was Babe. I loved that song, and the b-side I'm Okay is one of my favorite all-time songs from the band. I have fond memories of hanging out in front of my house with my tape recorder playing of a copy of my brother's Paradise Theater album. My sister and I would listen to that album all the time.
My cousin and I used to rock out to the band. We'd sing songs by Styx as we walked down the street, but none more special than Come Sail Away. That was kind of our song. I remember driving down the road with him with no stereo in the car, and we'd sing that song. It's even more of a fond memory to me as my cousin is no longer here.
Another fond memory was finally getting to see these guys play live back at the Return To Paradise Theater tour. They came to my hometown, so there was no question we were going. I didn't necessarily think it was going to happen again. Dennis DeYoung, James Young, Tommy Shaw, Chuck Ponazzo and Todd Sucherman were on stage together. Sadly, original drummer John Ponazzo was too ill, and he would die that year.
I really felt like Styx had some momentum going. I knew fully well that the music industry had changed. Grunge basically was used to destroy the style of rock music that I loved, at least as something in the mainstream. However, you still had bands like Aerosmith making it up the charts. I felt like as Aerosmith was playing out their run, a new band from their era could have resurgence. After hearing Styx on tour, I felt like they could be it.
After doing another tour, they did Brave New World, which is very much an album of missed opportunities. Most of the band's successful albums that would sell million copies had the guidance of DeYoung, and this one didn't. There was already a rift developing between the band due to Dennis being ill. Tommy and the others were recording in one place, and Dennis recorded his contributions at his home studio. It's an uneven sounding album with some good moments, but it wasn't going to be the album that brought these guys back on top again.
I think Dennis is very much open to coming back and doing one more tour. I don't think he's even looking to be back in the band. However, touring with them one more time and coming full circle is something that appeals to him. I also think it would be good PR for the band. There's a rift between the fan base of people who support the current band versus those who support Dennis and his band. There are people who can appreciate both, but there are many who have chosen sides. Dennis doesn't like seeing that, and he feels this would be a way to put an end to that.
However, I don't expect this to happen anytime soon. I'm going to dismiss many of the BS narratives that we've heard since the band kicked Dennis out. It's been proven that he does indeed want to tour, even if not as much as the other guys. It's been proven that he does want to and can rock. It's been proven that he can write a good rock song. None of the stories that have been told make a lot of sense, and it really doesn't matter. The reality is Styx is on a different trajectory than Dennis.
Dennis is an artist and knows how to create a good song. However, he's also a businessman and has let his music make him a rich man. What he's discovered on his most recent tours with the band he has backing him up is that people enjoy the nostalgia. They love hearing the hits that they remember when they were younger. Since he's added August Zadra to the band, they even get to hear the Tommy Shaw songs being performed by somebody who actually does a pretty good job. He may not be Tommy, but he's not bad.
About 15 years ago, Dennis recorded 100 Years From Now. The album had some really good moments to it, but guess what? None of the songs on that album are being performed in his most recent tours. He's done 26 East Volumes 1 and 2, but he's not touring as he waits to see how things turn out on the other end of this pandemic. What do you think the odds are that he's going to be performing much of the material that he recorded on those two albums on his next tour? There are some really good songs, and some people would classify them as vintage Styx sounding moments, but Dennis is a smart man.
There's a reason why so many bands from the 1970s and 1980s can still tour heavily and make money. Their catalogs of hits are well known and appreciated by the older fans. This is because of the promoting of those albums via radio play, MTV and what have you. They are ingrained in the minds of the people. Therefore, when you see the bill that says Dennis DeYoung and The Music Of Styx, you're going there to hear the old hits, including many of the songs that Styx won't even perform anymore. If you work in too much new stuff that nobody's heard, it could negatively affect ticket sales.
Now move over to Styx. This band has tried to break out of the image of being the band that made those hits in the 1970s and early 1980s. It's not that they don't perform some of them, although there are many songs they don't want to touch anymore. The only reluctantly added Mr Roboto to their setlist because concert promoters wanted the song. The same promoters are the ones pushing for Dennis to come back to the band, which isn't likely to happen anytime soon. You have to understand that Tommy, James and the band have worked hard over the last 20 years too forge a new path.
I would say that Cyclorama and Big Bang Theory were not successful, and the material from those albums didn't get played much. One of those albums was a cover tunes album anyway. They've recorded much of their older catalog, and Lawrence Gowan is singing the Dennis stuff. Lawrence ought to be a prime example of why this band isn't looking to do anything with Dennis. He does the Dennis DeYoung stuff, but he sounds nothing like him. The band didn't care to get somebody who sounded like him. They wanted somebody who could play keyboard as well and gave off a more "Rockstar" vibe, which Lawrence does very well.
In the last 5 or 6 years, however, this band has gathered a little momentum as Styx of the current age, not Styx of the past. I think they are trying to do a little bit of what Tom Petty spoke of. He would record new albums, but he would insist on playing songs from those albums. He wanted go grow as an artist. You'd hear most of his big hits, but you were going to hear the new stuff he was creating at the time. I think this is where Styx is as a band, and you can tell that Tommy and the guys were very excited when they did Mission To Mars a few years back. Some of those songs are still being played on the tour today.
Unlike Mission To Mars, however, Crash Of The Crown doesn't really sound like your typical Styx album. It doesn't sound like vintage Styx. It sounds Styx for sure, but it's the band as they are in 2021. They are doing a few different things. I think they intentionally recorded shorter song so they could include more of them in the current set list, while still playing some of the Tommy Shaw standards that people expect. However, the bottom line is they are moving ahead as a band and trying to be accepted for who they are now, not so much who they were back then. Bringing Dennis back at this point would derail the current plan for the band.
While Styx is in the mode they are currently in, there are no thoughts about bringing Dennis back. Set aside anything the guys have said about him in the last 20 years, because none of that really matters. What matters is they made a couple of albums in recent years that they are very proud of, and they want to perform that stuff live. Lawrence Gowan is very much involved in those albums and what they are, and they're not interested in sidelining him after 20 years of service with this band. That's just not where they are in 2021.
Dennis is in nostalgia mode, so he'd be up to getting on stage with the others and performing those classic hits. It's just not going to happen anytime soon. Even if he were to get into the studio with these guys and record a new Styx album, there are problems with that. First of all, that would mean they were abandoning things the way they have been in recent years and sidelining Gowan. Secondly, they aren't going to suddenly go into the studio with Dennis and ignore what they have created recently. They want to tour behind this music, sell some album copies and some concert tickets, make new fans and perform as a current rock band act and not just a nostalgia act.
It's unfortunate that the time may never come when Dennis, Tommy and James get on the stage together. Even if they get inducted into the Hall Of Fame, you may not get these guys to perform any songs together. For those people wanting to relive the glory days of sticks, the best they can hope for is watching Dennis go back on tour in 2022 with the band he's assembled. They do a faithful interpretation of what long time fans know and love. Having August Zadra do the Tommy Shaw songs certainly helps. My hope would be that Dennis can sneak a couple of his newer songs into the set list, because I think they deserve to be heard live and very much sound like classic Styx.
The Styx fans who have ridden the wave with Tommy and James or just the new fans who have come along don't really care if Dennis is back in the band. Many of these people don't care that Dennis has recorded some good new new music. They are interested in what this band is doing now and are willing to pay to see them. Styx tours heavily as they are now than they would if Dennis were in the band, but they're also a generating quite a bit of revenue.
There's an energy with them now that is undeniable. When Tommy Shaw said he just wants to be happy in his interview with Dan Rather, what he really should have said is he wants to look ahead to the future and not dwell on the past. Since he was so key in getting Dennis out of the band in the first place, why would he even think about bringing him back? Plus, I believe he truly doesn't like DeYoung and hasn't for years, even going back to before the Return To Paradise Theater tour.
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Dennis DeYoung Should Have Replaced Tommy Shaw In Styx After The Kilroy Tour
I'm going to do a little bit of speculation on the history of the rock group Styx. There may be an even bigger article coming. In that column, I'll speculate on how certain members of the current band Styx really feel about Dennis DeYoung and why I'm led to believe that. In this article, I want to talk about why DeYoung should have replaced Tommy Shaw in Styx after the Kilroy Was Here tour.
As somebody who considers Styx one of my all-time favorite bands, it makes me sad to see what's currently happening with the key members of the group that I loved. Sure, I always leaned towards Dennis DeYoung in this group. However, I appreciated what everybody brought to this band. Although I think they wouldn't have been as big a band or maybe even existed without Dennis, you can't argue the edge that James Young brought to the act, nor can you ignore the fact that Tommy Shaw brought the band to a whole new level when he joined.
I don't want to talk too much about what should be covered in another article, but I will say that Dennis has spent the last 20 years disproving the narrative that the other band members have been trying to create. From the position that they are in, they can just keep moving forward and define Styx however they choose. They own the band name. From Dennis's perspective, It's not just about him proving that what these guys have said is wrong. You can tell that he is deeply hurt by the things that took place after the second reunion tour of the band in 1997.
DeYoung never thought it would come down to this. How could he? There wouldn't even be a band if not for Dennis. He formed it with John and Chuck Panozzo. They were a very different band in 1962. They weren't the rock band we came to know. This was a group that did cover tunes and played at weddings and other venues in the Chicago area.
At some point between then and the time 10 years later when they became Styx, they became a rock band. They were still playing cover tunes and figuring out who they were as a band. Up till that point, nobody who's currently performing live with the band was even in the band. By the time they got their first record deal with Wooden Nickel, James Young had joined.
DeYoung played an important part in creating the sound of this group. It wasn't that he did everything, but from the moment they recorded the song Lady, he understood what this band was meant to be. He also understood that he wasn't the only reason they sounded the way they did. He understood the part each member played in that sound. When it came to writing and creating the music, he understood what James brought to the deal.
When Shaw came along after they got their second record deal with A&M records, he knew exactly what the new band member brought to the act. They already knew what their sound was. Tommy's contributions were the songs that he brought, not necessarily the shaping of the overall sound of the band. They already knew who they were by then.
Fast forward to the Kilroy Was Here tour. It's my belief that Tommy was already very unhappy with this band before they even recorded that album. I personally believe it started going downhill for him the moment they did Cornerstone, but I'll talk about why in another article. Dennis clearly had a vision for Kilroy Was Here, and I think the themes of that album are very important. Musically, it left Tommy unsatisfied, and he wanted out. Dennis has even admitted that everybody else was still good to go. They wanted to continue with a big stadium greatest hits tour and live album before heading back into the studio a year or so later.
Dennis has even mentioned that he promised Young that they would do the stadium tour after Kilroy, but Tommy left at that point. It was pretty clear that James, Chuck and John still wanted to continue, but Dennis didn't want to. He was looking at the band dynamics and who they were. He believed that fans would not accept this band without Tommy bringing what he brought to the show. Therefore, the three other remaining members could not convince DeYoung that it was a good idea to tour. Did he make the right decision? Here is where I will engage in some speculation.
Other bands had replaced lead singers for whatever reason by then. Kansas had replaced Steve Walsh and still had some chart success with a new lead singer. AC/DC had to replace Bon Scott and ended up having the biggest chart success they'd ever had. There were cases of bands moving forward without key original singers, and they were able to sell concert tickets and create new music.
Considering the minor success Styx had about a decade later with Edge Of The Century and the fact that Tommy wasn't involved in that album, I'd have to believe that this band would have been okay for at least a few years. It's my belief that Dennis should have replaced Shaw at that point, and there's a few reasons I believe this.
I have to agree with critics of bands when it comes to replacing singers and not trying to get somebody who sounds like the guy everybody loved. I think Lawrence Gowan is a fine keyboardist, but he sounds so different than Dennis that he becomes distracting when you listen to him singing anything that Dennis recorded with Styx. He doesn't do him fair justice. When Journey replaced Steve Perry, they at least made an effort to bring in somebody who sounded like the guy. Say what you want about Arnel Pineda, he's a reasonable vocal facsimile of Perry.
Dennis was right about what Tommy brought to the band, and simply putting a guy in there that could sing decently and play guitar would not have worked. However, we witnessed over the last decade that DeYoung understood that in his own band. They finally play Styx songs that were made famous by Tommy, and the guy they have singing those songs, August Zadra, does a good job of making the song sound close to what long time fans remember. There's only one Shaw, but I'm saying that DeYoung did a reasonable job of bringing somebody into his band who could sing those songs.
The first order of business would have been going out on the road and playing live. That was the plan. The band could have taken as long as they needed to bring in a guy who could sing the Tommy Shaw songs faithfully enough and play guitar. Then, they go out on the road. We're talking 1984 at that point, and I think it would have worked reasonably well for the guys. There's probably a live album at that point and maybe even a concert that would have appeared on MTV. Then, they go back into the studio with the new guy, unless Tommy decides at that point that he wants to come back.
It's possible that Tommy sees that the guys are touring and rocking out more than they did on the Kilroy tour, and he wants back in. Maybe not. If not, the band records another album, and they possibly have a little bit of success. Maybe they don't reach the triple platinum status of before, but gold or even platinum is possible.
With their status, they can go back out on tour and make money, and the band still continues. Another tour and another album? That's just possible. All the while, the door is still open for Tommy to come back, but what if the new guy actually does such a good job that they don't need Shaw to come back into the band? Again, this is just speculation.
DeYoung tried to wait Tommy out and did his own solo stuff. It should be pointed out that Dennis really made no attempts in any of his solo work to sound like Styx until he did 100 Years From Now about 15 years ago and then his latest two albums. This is because he wanted Styx to be done by the band, not just himself. While he disbanded this group for about 8 years, he waited for Tommy. Tommy had no incentive because he was still making records and touring. He wasn't doing as good as he had with the band, but he was still doing okay throughout the 1980s.
What going back on tour does is keeps the other band members happy. The other three members probably pointed out that they were there before Tommy for a while and felt that they were as much the band as he was. If it didn't work out, which I doubt would have been an issue, they could have given it up a couple of years later.
However, what if Tommy looks over at the band and decides he really wants to come back? It's very possible that after a tour and another album with somebody else, Tommy is brought back in and we get the lineup of the band that we all know and love. Dennis isn't seen as the bad guy for putting an end to the band for so long, and who knows what songs they create at that point?
The other thing about DeYoung bringing this band back is the other three members are happy and they continue on in the newer incarnation. There's not eight years of idle time that builds up any sort of animosity from those members. He can at least claim that he tried as requested if it doesn't work out, and it's not going to damage the reputation of the more popular songs from the band.
The other thing it does is keeps the band under the guidance of Dennis. This slightly different history makes it less likely that he gets kicked out of the band when it eventually happened, and he doesn't have to go through the last 20 years trying to defend himself and figure out what went wrong.
I dislike the idea of replacing popular members of bands when they are still available. If somebody actually doesn't want to come back, that's another story. Perry doesn't want to be in Journey, so that's not going to happen. DeYoung very much wants to be in Styx, even if it's just for one final tour. He's been wanting to do something with the guys for a while now, but they won't hear it.
DeYoung is powerless to do much about it at this point except for explaining his side of the story in interviews. Had he went ahead and done the stadium tour after Kilroy, it's just possible that he'd still be in the band to this day. That's my take as an observer and a fan of the classic line up of the band.